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[Scooter]

Another issue is that different denominations may have different canons. FOr instance, the Catholic Bible has more books than the Protestant Bible. Catholic Bible contains 1 and 2 Maccabees. There's also a book called Sirach and another one called Tobit. This is one list I found online:

The Catholic Church includes what is known as the Apocrypha. The original KJV of 1611 also included the Apocrypha. Both Catholic and Protestants considered the Apocrypha valuable but not inspired by God. Protestant Bibles begin omitting the Apocrypha in the early 1800's while Catholic Bibles continue to include it. Here's a piece that helps explain the Apocrypha:
https://www.gracelifebiblechurch.com/PastorsPen/The Apocrypha and the King James Bible.pdf

 

[AgnosticBoy]

The Catholic Church includes what is known as the Apocrypha. The original KJV of 1611 also included the Apocrypha. Both Catholic and Protestants considered the Apocrypha valuable but not inspired by God. Protestant Bibles begin omitting the Apocrypha in the early 1800's while Catholic Bibles continue to include it. Here's a piece that helps explain the Apocrypha:
https://www.gracelifebiblechurch.com/PastorsPen/The Apocrypha and the King James Bible.pdf

Not quite. Part of the confusion is that the meaning of 'apocrypha' differs. To Protestants it means one thing, but to Catholics it means another.

First, the extra books included in Catholic Bibles are referred to as the 'deuterocanonical' books.

The deuterocanon (ie. “second canon”) is a set of seven books — Sirach, Tobit, Wisdom, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and Baruch, as well as longer versions of Daniel and Esther — that are found in the Old Testament canon used by Catholics, but are not in the Old Testament canon used by Protestants, who typically refer to them by the mildly pejorative term “apocrypha.” This group of books is called “deuterocanonical” not (as some imagine) because they are a “second rate” or inferior canon, but because their status as being part of the canon of Scripture was settled later in time than certain books that always and everywhere were regarded as Scripture, such as Genesis, Isaiah, and Psalms.

Source: https://catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/5-myths-about-7-books.html

The deuterocanonical books are considered inspired by Catholics (but not Protestants):

Terminology about the Bible can be confusing, especially since Protestants and Catholics might use the same word to mean different things. The Greek word, "apocrypha," means hidden and, indeed, those extra Old Testament books have been hidden from most non-Catholic readers. So when Protestants in general and non-Catholic Bible publishers in particular use the word, apocrypha refers to the "extra" books found, plainly and visibly, in the Old Testament of all Catholic Bibles. Catholics, however, refer to those same books as deuterocanonical, which means the Church recognizes the books as divinely inspired but part of the second canon.

Source: https://catholicexchange.com/do-catholics-have-apocryphal-or-deuterocanonical-books/

Based on this information, I still maintain that the closure of the biblical canon has been a moving target and differs based on denomination. All of that consistent with it being based on tradition. And I'd argue that that tradition is unreasonable as it doesn't prove that revelation has stopped; it's just a bald assertion.

 

[Scooter]

The Catholic Church may consider the deuterocanonical books as inspired, but Hebrew scholars did not. I would side with actual Jewish scholars over Catholics when it comes to Jewish writings. Notice also that none of the deuterocanonical books were written after John’s Revelation. So I stand by my belief that the canon of scripture ended with John’s vision.

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

Well, I can’t speak to the mental process of either Christian or atheist child molesters. In my eyes molesting a child is worse than murder and should result in immediate death for the molester.

I’d rather prevent it, than just get even after the fact.

For example, if my best friend is talking about his teenage step-daughter in a sexualized way, I want to challenge him and ask him some pretty direct questions such as, Are you planning to do something? Or even, Are you planning to sexually assault her? And if that escalates to a fist fight between him and me, that may not be the worst thing in the world.

@Scooter , am I remembering correctly that your church follows best practice as far as preventing and responding to sexual abuse?

 

[Scooter]

@Scooter , am I remembering correctly that your church follows best practice as far as preventing and responding to sexual abuse?

We do background checks on all people who are working with youth and children. We always have two adults working together so no adult is left alone with kids.

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

@Scooter , am I remembering correctly that your church follows best practice as far as preventing and responding to sexual abuse?

We do background checks on all people who are working with youth and children. We always have two adults working together so no adult is left alone with kids.

Bringing your A skills to the table, then there’s no reason to cover up nothing. But human nature being what it is …

human beings will still cover up.

Are people that afraid of being embarrassed and criticized, and afraid that they must have done something wrong after all? As an analogy, in the loss of the Space Shuttle Challenger in 1986 due to the booster rocket exploding 73 seconds into launch, the flight had already been delayed and postponed several times. And thus, the tech people and highly-skilled engineers were already embarrassed? and therefore, pushed away any more implied criticism? ?? — Yes. It looks like it was something very close to this.

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My point being, keep adding to your A game.

Listen to criticism, but don’t let it throw you.