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[Multicolored Lemur]

and on the weird . . .

recently I read that a school of sea otters, with some of them diving, some surfacing, from the right distance may appear to be a large sea creature!

 

[AgnosticBoy]

IMPROVED BURIAL-CASE - Brown & Michaels

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“This patent, one of literally dozens on coffins with escape hatches and/or signaling means, may seem odd to twenty-first century eyes, but it reflects more a change in the world than latent insanity on the part of our mid- to late-eighteenth century ancestors.

“One reads in many 18th century sources of the exhumed corpses with hair and nails grown long, the fingernail scratches in the coffin lid, etc., but there are few reliably documented cases of live burial. While the reports of live burials are suspect, the fear of burial alive was very real. When the Industrial Revolution was new there were no reliable methods for determining death. At the same time, new methods of putting people in comas (electricity, chemicals, industrial accidents from the new machinery and railroads, etc.) were multiplying.”

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Weird.

But this is something people used to worry about.

Yes I've come across your explanation before. I think the situation surrounding the death factors in here. Back then, if someone is in a coma or found unresponsive and unarousable at home, then some might think the person was dead when they really weren't.

In Jesus's case we have a gruesome form of execution being done by pros - the Roman soldiers.

Here's a snippet on the science behind the crucification. .

If you survived the shock and blood loss from the beating, then were able to carry the patibulum to the place where you were to be crucified, then lived through your feet and your hands having spikes driven into them, your final misery was just beginning.

There are many theories as to what kills you as you hang on a cross. From blood loss from the beating, to shock and dehydration, it could be any combination of the factors, scientists believe.

The Royal Society of Medicine in 2006 published an article that centered on Jesus’ crucifixion, chronicling nine possible causes of death. And while suffocation from the weight of one’s body dangling from a cross has long been believed to be the cause of death in crucifixion, others think the process is a more complicated chain reaction of events.

The researchers from the RSM study believed death came to those crucified by one or more of the body’s failing processes.

The study suggested that as the person suspended on a cross struggles to breathe, that lack of oxygen would trigger damage to tissue and veins, causing blood to leak into the lungs and the heart. The lungs would stiffen and the heart would become constricted from the pressure, making it difficult, then impossible to pump blood throughout the body. The lack of oxygenated blood would eventually cause each body system to fail and death would follow.

It could take hours, or, in some cases, days, but it was only a matter of time before death would come.

In the biblical accounts of Jesus’ death, the process took six hours, and, in the end, he cried out to God.

Source: https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/how-did-crucifixion-kill-jesus/RJGGT5KMLPVOQYAKECVBJC43KQ/

If Jesus was crucified, then slim chance of him surviving in my best opinion.

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

In Jesus's case we have a gruesome form of execution being done by pros - the Roman soldiers.

Okay, but I think you did mention modern medicine or something similar.

With the case of Jesus

. . . the Roman authorities murdered him basically because he was a nuisance and they didn't understand him. It was a profoundly wrong act.

Yes, after crucifixion, he was most likely truly dead.

My problem is Paul's letter to the Galatian's comes 15 years after the fact. And I think that's the nearest we can close that gap.

Plus, grief hallucinations are a recognized phenomenon about 35% of the time when someone you love die, either hear the person's voice, catch a flash of their image, or feel their presence.

Meaning, on average a third of the 12 disciples would have their own individual experience of a grief hallucination.

And really, if only Peter had such an experience and the other disciples believed him, that could well be the beginning of Christianity right then and there.

In addition, people back then put a lot more credence into dreams than we do today.